I was a bit late to catch this story. Faith Healer Jeff Garvin was in Belfast last month curing bad knees, ankles, hearing, etc. No amputees this time, maybe on his next visit he’ll visit some well deserving war heroes who lost limbs fighting for freedom and peace. I’m sure there is some devout Christian soldier out their missing a leg or an arm. How about something smaller like an eye. Surely, s/he deserves to be healed by this God fella they worship. This doesn’t happen. The lady who had her hearing aid removed is probably watching her TV as I type this, with the volume up full. The lady with knee problems will continue to have knee problems.
These well meaning people are being conned. Worse, they are being conned by a bad man because they were conned by well meaning good people (their parents and their family) when they were children.
I wonder if Jeff ever follows up on anyone he has healed (I use the term “healed” loosely, of course). I wonder if he ever tells them to check with their GP, just as a casual follow up to make sure he didn’t miss anything.
I want to see Jeff walk into a hospital full of dying children. If he really has this gift, and wanted to help, I can’t think of a better place for him to be. If he did that, and his abilities were real, I’d be tempted to convert. But that is never going to happen. Not because he doesn’t care, but because he knows that he is a fraud.
Check out: Why Won’t God Heal Amputees?
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect.” Mark Twain
…as long as everyone adheres to only one religion, otherwise all bets are off. Religion divides people. It divides people more than any other force on the planet. Why is it so hard for people to see that? Christians are all connected with their faith in the risen Christ, except they’re not. There are thousands of different versions of christianity and they all think the others have it wrong. It’s easy for the Pope to meet with Jewish and Islamic leaders and make small talk about being united in faith, but when it actually comes done to it, they are completely opposed to each other.
I wonder how many of you Christians realise why there are so many variations. It’s simple really, one church splits into two when they don’t agree, which then splits into four, and so on.
Religion is the great divider.
Interesting local news to make my point: Orange Order action over UUP attendance at Kerr funeral
Those of you who are not local to Northern Ireland may not be familiar with Ronan Kerr, the Catholic Police Officer who was killed by a car bomb. The story in a nut shell is two high up members of the Orange Order (Protestant/Unionist) attended the Catholic funeral out of respect. For this Mr Elliot and Kennedy have my respect for their humane act which goes counter to their religious conviction which denies them the right to attend any Catholic Masses.
For showing an ounce of humanity they now face disciplinary hearings. Don’t tell me religion and faith brings people together. It never has, and it never will! Unless you count bringing people together in confrontation!
I get accused a lot for being angry with god. I want to make it perfectly clear that it’s not your non-existant tyrant I’m angry and frustrated with, it’s you stubbornly ignorant merchants of mis-information and bigotry!
I know it sounds childish, but that’s going to be my answer from now on. Anytime anyone tries to argue that science ONLY has theories, that evolution is ONLY a theory, I’m not going to take their bait.
Their ultimate goal is to convince me that their God is real. Science, and the science of evolution in particular, is just an obstacle in their way. Whether or not they can disprove anything in science, evolution included, has no impact on the God hypothesis.
I hope “It’s ONLY a myth!” is as annoying to religious people as “It’s ONLY a theory!” is annoying to me.
What started out as a chat about physics with a mate turned into a Christian trying to educate me about “faith”, OMFG!
I’d like to point out at the start that I didn’t mention god, she did. I was happily talking about Hawking, the Big Bang, etc. and she decides to insert her god. When it was clear that she was going to hammer home her point my mate took the wise course of action by exiting the room (I wish I had joined him).
As with all conversations of this kind, it was a random mix of every logical fallacy known to man:
- Leading questions: “Who created everything?” As if there was a “who” or that everything needed to be created.
- Argument from ignorance: I can’t explain how we got here, therefore she must be right. She demands levels of evidence for evolution, which she can’t provide for her belief in creationism. She tries to poke holes in evolution, because she can’t provide any positive evidence for her beliefs.
- It’s “only a theory”: Apparently science knows nothing because it only has “theories”. I asked if she has been vaccinated, she answered “yes”. Her comeback was, “vaccination is science and evolution isn’t”. As if she is the authority on what classifies as science, and what doesn’t.
- Only humans can be moral and caring: A quick search on YouTube can prove that false.
The worst part was when another Christian overheard our conversation and decided to join in. The only thing worse than being subjected to this ignorant bullshit, is having it coming at you from multiple directions. Such as today when I had to restrain myself because I was at work, and he was a customer. (I’m all for being open about my beliefs, and I’ll happily express my opinion to anyone, but not if I think it could get me into trouble with my boss.)
It’s perfectly ok if you’re a member of the main religion to spread your hateful, discriminatory beliefs, even at work, because the majority share you beliefs. And when you’re pushing your opinions on others, people like me (Atheist), we must restrain ourselves so we don’t get into trouble, because we’re “discriminating against their religious beliefs”. I am not! You tell me something stupid, and I simply reply that I don’t agree. They persist when I’d much rather they left me alone. I wonder what would happen if I take up my grievance with HR? Do you think they’d take me seriously?
She gave me a great example of how religion can corrupt your mind, and your sense of morality. She tried to explain to me that God loves everyone, even her dad who isn’t a proper Christian like she is. To find out how much her God loves her dad I asked what was going to happen to him after he dies. She said she didn’t know. I asked if he was going to hell…she refused to answer. She said that she believes that God will do what’s best. “Sending your dad to hell is for the best?” I asked. I could see that she desperately wanted to switch topics, but I kept pushing the questions. I could see her physically squirming in her seat. I never did get an answer to that question. Or the question “Is it moral for your God to allow him to go to hell?” When the second Christian joined in (the customer), I felt it was best to let it go.
After that the argument turned to science, which I talked about in a previous post.
Note: These people are only annoying when they’re being Christian.